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Well, it's Official. . . .

Post by Snowth Poogle on Wed 9 Nov 2016 - 13:31

Barack Obama will be the last-ever President of the United State of America. Donald Trump will be the first-ever Dictator of the Divided States of America.

The rich will go back to getting richer; the poor will go back to getting poorer; the economy will crash and we'll be in a recession again; the medical profession will go back to denying healthcare to poor people; women, black people, gay people, Hispanic, Asian, Indian, Middle Eastern, and all walks of life that aren't wealthy white men will go back to be oppressed; we'll be back at war with every other country around the world. . . .



And you know who voted him in? Damned uneducated rednecks.

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Post by ZeGermanArthurFan on Wed 9 Nov 2016 - 16:32

The national election will begin over here soon, too:
http://bundestagswahl-2017.com/

I don't really care who wins as long as it isn't the NPD (Nationalistic/far-right party) or the AFD (Right-wing populist party)
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Post by A Lotta Moms on Wed 9 Nov 2016 - 21:32

What's even more tragic is the fact that two candidates who are this undesirable snagged their party nominations, when somewhat more respectable alternatives were out there.  If America had more sense, the ticket would have been something along the lines of Sanders v. Rubio.

For a lot of folks, this election really was about who they hated the least...and more so than any election in recent history.  I absolutely agree with most major criticisms of both Trump and Clinton, which was why I voted third party (Jill Stein).  The whole "third party vote is a spoiler" argument is a large part of why this country is so screwed up and the bipartisan system has eroded into nearly insurmountable elite cronyism.  

Most Democrats, like Hillary, are just phony progressives who may vote for a few sparse, minor items that could benefit the middle classes, but nothing that would deter their big money sponsors.  Take Clinton and her ties to Wall Street, for instance.  Is it any wonder that she and Bill were instrumental in dismantling the Glass-Steagall Act that prevented banks from gambling wildly with commercial assets, signed in legislation that made student loans (even crisis-level ones) virtually non-dischargeable in a Chapter 7 bankrupty, and have tirelessly promoted trade agreements that led to the erosion of America's once-robust manufacturing base?

Despite the Clinton e-mail scandal being her opponents' main target, I might have been able to look past it and support her were it not for her lesser-known and much more serious flaws (as mentioned above).  I may go so far as to propose that the Clintons were more directly responsible for the Great Recession than George W. Bush or even Reagan, though I'd by no means exonerate either of the latter or the GOP in general, since it controlled Congress at the times those damning reforms went through.  

I suppose the most we can hope for is that the few silver linings there are about Trump will happen over the course of the next four years, and that the more serious concerns many share about him won't manifest themselves in a major way.  Specifically, one of his major campaign promises that I'd like to see happen is a serious renegotiation/rescission of the NAFTA and GATT agreements that screwed so many blue collar workers out of jobs and benefits.  If he doesn't deliver on that one, his voter base will quickly turn on him.  On the downside, I think it's unfortunately likely that what exists of Obamacare may soon vanish rather than be transformed slowly into a proper universal healthcare system.  I sincerely hope that Trump won't do anything to hinder LGBT rights, since he's at least been a little more tolerant than other GOP candidates on the matter.  Throw in a lot of the other common criticisms of him, and, well, it'll be interesting to see how things play out.

As one last thought, things might just have to get a lot worse before true change is allowed to happen...as in, on the brink of a violent revolution.  It took the Great Depression and mass unrest to push the establishment into accepting the New Deal, after all.  Maybe all of this will just bring us one step closer.

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Post by fudgy brown sludge on Thu 10 Nov 2016 - 13:57

i must say that i was unable to vote because of my age but i would certainly vote for the wrong person because this is the way i am.
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Re: America is the Land of Shit

Post by Snowth Poogle on Thu 10 Nov 2016 - 14:31

A Lotta Moms wrote:
For a lot of folks, this election really was about who they hated the least...and more so than any election in recent history.
That's what it was for me. I made it perfectly clear I had no desire or intention to vote in this year's election, because I did not like either of the two candidates, and I did not feel confident in the future of our country in either of their hands.

Unfortunately, I was forced to vote against my will, and the vote went to Hillary because it was a vote against Drumph. But, as it turns out, what Gordon said on MADtv is true: that one vote really doesn't make a difference.

A Lotta Moms wrote:Most Democrats, like Hillary, are just phony progressives who may vote for a few sparse, minor items that could benefit the middle classes, but nothing that would deter their big money sponsors.
Yeah, but here's the thing: at least Democrats try. I mean, they make efforts to try to reach across the aisle and get Republicans to work together on the country, but the Republicans never do that. They're always, "Get out of our country you fuckin' libtards!" And essentially go about being the Fourth Reich - which they undoubtly will be now that Drumph is our first dictator.

A Lotta Moms wrote:I may go so far as to propose that the Clintons were more directly responsible for the Great Recession than George W. Bush or even Reagan
How do you figure that? Bill was essentially the last president who was able to manage our country's budget and keep it in check. G.W. just came in and blew all of it.
A Lotta Moms wrote:Specifically, one of his major campaign promises that I'd like to see happen is a serious renegotiation/rescission of the NAFTA and GATT agreements that screwed so many blue collar workers out of jobs and benefits.  If he doesn't deliver on that one, his voter base will quickly turn on him. On the downside, I think it's unfortunately likely that what exists of Obamacare may soon vanish rather than be transformed slowly into a proper universal healthcare system.
Well, unfortunately, that's not going to happen. Republicans have never cared about the working class, and anytime a Republican is president (again, G.W. as an example), the rich keep getting richer, and the poor keep getting poorer.

You know what worries me the most, though? Social Security. You've mentioned the benefits of Social Security quite often, Moms, particularly when we discuss the future of the disabled characters of the Arthur-verse, like Marina, and you know for yourself that for some people out there, like the disabled, who are unable to work for whatever reason, Social Security is their only source of income. Republicans have always hated Social Security, they consider it a "Government Hand-out to lazy people who don't want to work," and if Drumph takes away Social Security, there goes the only means of income for many people who can't work. And let me tell you something: Social Security has been a God blessing for my family. I was born in 1989, and a few weeks after I was born, the White Collar Recession happened: my family lost everything because of it. My family apparently was rather affluent (not Crosswire level, mind you, but certainly not Middle Class) before then, and since then, we've virtually struggled to stay above the poverty line. With both of my parents being of ages where they can draw Social Security benefits (my dad moreseo, because he's not only older, but he's also a veteran), that has been a major source of supplemental income for us, and because of that, within the last number of years, we've finally been able to build up financial stability for ourselves: we've finally been able to live in the same house for more than a year or two, we've finally been able to hold onto a new car for more than a few months, we've finally been able to avoid having our utilities shut off at random, and we've, just in general, have finally been able to live in comfort, with a cushion for ourselves. If Drumph gets rid of Social Security, and we have to go back to living paycheck to paycheck, we'll be back to struggling to stay above the poverty line again, after all these years of building up our financial stability.
 
A Lotta Moms wrote:I sincerely hope that Trump won't do anything to hinder LGBT rights
Well, sorry, but Drumph and his wormy VP Pence ("Trump/Pence," what a stupid-sounding ticket . . . sounds like a tongue-twister) aren't even in Office yet, and they have already announced that they're rolling back on LGBT rights, because it's "what God would want." Yeah, I don't recall God ever saying to persecute, degrade, and oppress certain groups of people because they don't happen to be wealthy, white, heterosexual males.
A Lotta Moms wrote:As one last thought, things might just have to get a lot worse before true change is allowed to happen...as in, on the brink of a violent revolution.
Well, hell, this country's at rock bottom already, I'd hate to see how much worse it could possibly get now.

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Post by Kerry9Story on Thu 10 Nov 2016 - 16:43

well fuck him my fatass vote |3ernie een he aint runnen cause goddam fuckass shitpants hillary say he cant run no more Crying or Very sad but IDGAF cause niggaz cray+gon r3ck soem shit~!!! cheers cheers cheers
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Post by A Lotta Moms on Thu 10 Nov 2016 - 19:25

Snowth Poogle wrote:That's what it was for me. I made it perfectly clear I had no desire or intention to vote in this year's election, because I did not like either of the two candidates, and I did not feel confident in the future of our country in either of their hands.

Unfortunately, I was forced to vote against my will, and the vote went to Hillary because it was a vote against Drumph. But, as it turns out, what Gordon said on MADtv is true: that one vote really doesn't make a difference.

That's understandable.  As I've told people I know who voted one way or the other, it's not so much a matter of who you vote for but the reasons why.  I think that a lot of people share the frustration with how bad things are on a lot of levels in this country right now.  On the upside, I look at how much more traction third party candidates or true progressives (Sanders, for instance) have gained this election cycle.  Ten years ago, a self-proclaimed Democratic Socialist wouldn't have garnered 1% of the vote.  I also hope that change will be more likely as some of the older generations shuffle off, since younger and middle-aged voters are more inclined to vote for such candidates.

Snowth Poogle wrote:Yeah, but here's the thing: at least Democrats try. I mean, they make efforts to try to reach across the aisle and get Republicans to work together on the country, but the Republicans never do that. They're always, "Get out of our country you fuckin' libtards!" And essentially go about being the Fourth Reich - which they undoubtly will be now that Drumph is our first dictator.
I think there are a few exceptions in Congress.  Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders (again), Dennis Kucinich, etc. who legitimately do fight for the common person and who aren't bought out by special interests.  As far as Republicans go, McCain has shown some decent colors from time to time, trying to get major post-Depression era banking laws re-established and such.  Unfortunately, he had a flip on some issues and appear as a Bush clone in 2008 to snag the GOP nomination, dwindling his moderate appeal.  A majority of the others, though?  Not so much.  It's worth noting that I did vote for the Democratic options for local and Congressional offices this time around, because there was no write-in option.  A lot of it boils down to the candidate.  I would have voted for any of the aforementioned candidates if they'd ran (and made it to) the general election against Trump.  Just...not Clinton.

Snowth Poogle wrote:How do you figure that? Bill was essentially the last president who was able to manage our country's budget and keep it in check. G.W. just came in and blew all of it.
Mainly due to the fact that Clinton (with Hillary as advisor) repealed the aforementioned Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 that had prevented investment banks from intermingling with commercial banks.  This resulted in Wall Street behemoths that took commercial assets (mortages, or instance) and gambled with them as if they were high-stakes hedge funds.  In conjunction with a few earlier repeals that happened during the Reagan Era, this also allowed for the emergence of the nefarious derivatives market, which played a key role in the collapse of 2008.  Had these laws not been repealed, the economy would have remained much more stable and safe, with or without massive Federal debt.  

To address the debt created by George W. Bush, it's indeed been established that having large debt can have a negative impact on a country's economy.  I wouldn't be surprised if it's hindered the recovery (or what little of a recovery there's been).  However, it's more of a "slow burn" factor that can create problems if foreign creditors, for instance, start demanding higher interest rates due to prolonged non-payment or the belief that they'll never get repaid at all.  The Great Recession wasn't so much about that, as it was about the reckless actions of a "Wild West" Wall Street...again, made possible by Clinton and the GOP-run Congress at the time.  

Likewise, when the student loan bubble bursts, and it's already causing serious problems, it's going to go right back to the laws Clinton signed in as well.  

Snowth Poogle wrote:Well, unfortunately, that's not going to happen. Republicans have never cared about the working class, and anytime a Republican is president (again, G.W. as an example), the rich keep getting richer, and the poor keep getting poorer.
In a way, I wouldn't be surprised.  If anything, it'll be fun to watch his angry blue collar voter base turn on him if he doesn't deliver, and just increase the likelihood that he'll only be in office for one term.

Snowth Poogle wrote:You know what worries me the most, though? Social Security. You've mentioned the benefits of Social Security quite often, Moms, particularly when we discuss the future of the disabled characters of the Arthur-verse, like Marina, and you know for yourself that for some people out there, like the disabled, who are unable to work for whatever reason, Social Security is their only source of income.
I'm with you 100% on this one.  My parents are close to retirement age, and a good portion of their income will stem from Social Security.  Since there STILL hasn't been meaningful reform in the banking industry, privatizing things would prove disastrous.  If not immediately, then eventually.  It's just bound to happen when you let private investors handle money like that.  Free market economies follow a sinusoidal wave (up and down, up and down), and the whole idea of socializing certain services is to insulate against that effect.  I think retirement is one that definitely warrants that sort of protection, because once you get to that point in life, it's not like you can start over again.
 
Snowth Poogle wrote:Well, sorry, but Drumph and his wormy VP Pence ("Trump/Pence," what a stupid-sounding ticket . . . sounds like a tongue-twister) aren't even in Office yet, and they have already announced that they're rolling back on LGBT rights, because it's "what God would want." Yeah, I don't recall God ever saying to persecute, degrade, and oppress certain groups of people because they don't happen to be wealthy, white, heterosexual males.
Sigh...I'm really not surprised, considering that Pence authored and signed into law Indiana's gay marriage ban as its governor.  Ascribing it all to Christianity is just asinine, and gives good Christians a bad name.  Many don't interpret the Bible to be discriminatory at all, and take Old Testament passages about homosexuality being "abomination" about as seriously as passages about killing witches, dashing children's heads against rocks, prohibiting flat-nosed men from serving in the clergy, etc.
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Post by Roabe on Fri 11 Nov 2016 - 0:41

If there was one campaign "promise" from Trump I would have agreed with, it's taking Wall Street interests and lobbying out of politics. But even then I knew he was full of shit, pandering to get votes, and so far he has proven me right because it's being reported that has been looking at current and former Wall Street execs to be in his cabinet.

My boy Sanders was for taking Wall Street out of politics as well, the only difference is I think he would have kept that promise.

In all honesty, I'm more scared of the fact that Trump will resign and hand over the reigns to his VP, Mike Pence. I'm already convinced that Trump might spend his term being an absentee President, and let Pence and the rest of his cabinet be the brains of the operation.

I'm also afraid of what his admin will do to the Supreme Court, which is where the true keys to the country are. As of now there is a vacant seat left behind after Scalia's death, and it's yet to be filled because anyone appointed by Obama will be immediately blocked by the Republicans in the Senate. You can guarantee the Trump administration will fill that seat with absolutely no Senate resistance. Here's hoping Ginsburg, one of the few remaining progressive justices we have but is well into her 80s, hangs on for the next four years.

As for Trump rolling back LGBT rights, I just hope that's just another BS pandering campaign promise that he won't follow through on. Pence on the other hand is an an honest-to-god fascist on the issue. For example, as Indiana governor he signed a bill into law that allowed police to arrest and jail same-sex couples for applying for marriage licenses.

As for Republican vs Democrat, my views of both parties aren't so black-and-white even though I lean fairly far to the left on most issues. My home city of Cleveland has been run by Democratic mayors for almost 30 years (as long as I've been alive), and in those 30 years city hall has been rife with corruption, mishandled spending of tax revenue, rubber-stamping, stagnation and nepotism.

Contrast that with our last Republican mayor, George Voinovich, and from what I've read and what my parents tell me-- while his mayorship wasn't perfect, a lot of improvements were made to the city, from public works, to crime, to education, to relations between police and citizens. I guess it helped that Voinovich was bipartisan and was willing to work with Democrats on certain issues, and even continued Dennis Kucinich's fight to keep the city's public energy company from being bought out by private interests. Very few Republicans today would allow public-sector anything to continue to exist.

I just... I dunno. Between the do-nothing Democrats in my hometown, to the no-nothing Republicans running my state, to the do-evil Republicans taking over the three branches of the Federal government, my views on both parties has been pretty negative.
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Post by A Lotta Moms on Fri 11 Nov 2016 - 2:33

Roabe wrote:If there was one campaign "promise" from Trump I would have agreed with, it's taking Wall Street interests and lobbying out of politics. But even then I knew he was full of shit, pandering to get votes, and so far he has proven me right because it's being reported that has been looking at current and former Wall Street execs to be in his cabinet.
That's one element of Trump that's so concerning to me - unpredictability.  It's difficult to discern exactly what he's going to do, since he appears to be in it for himself first and foremost.  Some of his campaign rhetoric was just so outrageous, it would be hard to pull off even with a Republican majority in the House and Senate.    

Roabe wrote:In all honesty, I'm more scared of the fact that Trump will resign and hand over the reigns to his VP, Mike Pence. I'm already convinced that Trump might spend his term being an absentee President, and let Pence and the rest of his cabinet be the brains of the operation.
This is also a very real concern, since his camp approached John Kasich with a vice presidential offer that would have, according to Kasich, amounted to him controlling state and foreign policy as the most powerful vice president in history (other than maybe Dick Cheney).  In essence, Trump was looking to run merely as a figurehead while his V.P. did all of the actual work and policy making.  If this is any indication of the situation with Pence, we'll probably be looking at four years of hardcore conservatism.  

Regarding him going so far as to enact legislation that would jail same-sex couples for applying for marriage licenses, I didn't know he was that far-gone.  I'm reminded of some of the more insane laws on the books in some states that still forbid any sort of non-traditional sex, prohibit opposite sex individuals from cohabitating for a period of time if they're not married, permit opening fire on a group of five of more Native Americans if they're on your property (yes, this is seriously still a law in some places), etc.

Roabe wrote:As for Republican vs Democrat, my views of both parties aren't so black-and-white even though I lean fairly far to the left on most issues. My home city of Cleveland has been run by Democratic mayors for almost 30 years (as long as I've been alive), and in those 30 years city hall has been rife with corruption, mishandled spending of tax revenue, rubber-stamping, stagnation and nepotism..
Being originally from Michigan myself, I'm unpleasantly reminded of former Democratic Detroit mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, one of the single most corrupt mayors any city ever had the misfortune of suffering through.  He's doing hard time at the moment for basically every type of corruption on the books, and last time I checked, was still facing a variety of pending charges for other crimes.  Indeed, the sewers run under both neighborhoods.  This is why I think it's so important to examine each candidate on their own merits, research their voting records, who their financial backers are, etc.  This is what led me to vote third party this time around.  Jill Stein's platform is nearly identical to Bernie's, and this is why I was more than happy to support her after he was denied the nomination.
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Post by Snowth Poogle on Sat 12 Nov 2016 - 1:40

You know what's disgusting me even more? That so many people are now going around and crowing that God Himself appointed Trump into office, and not only that, some out there are even going so far as to say that Trump is Jesus Christ sent to save our nation. Even my own dad is saying this shit.

Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. If this were the late 30s/early 40s, this would be the equivilent of saying God Himself rose Adolf Hitler to power, because he's Jesus Christ here to rid the world of Jews (nothing personal, Moms, just making a comparison).

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Post by A Lotta Moms on Sat 12 Nov 2016 - 1:54

That's so far beyond the pale of sanity, I'm a loss for words.  
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Post by Kerry9Story on Sat 12 Nov 2016 - 4:35

my fucken dad vote his dumbass too bro he get him a goddam woody oer him i fucken swear it. >_<
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Post by ArthurFrancineFan on Sun 20 Nov 2016 - 19:48

Wow some very good political conversation here.
Yes, I agree. The clintons are not good people even though trump or drumph as John Oliver pointed out HEEHEE, retracted his statement and said once he became President Elect.
Also this whole Electoral collage thing? Do you need it? Does it make sense? Well not to me anyway
By popularity and majority, Hilary won right?

I would have voted Bernie and Im sure he would have beaten Trump, since he was for the people and by that I mean everyday working class, not billionaires with rich white supremacist friends OR rich democrats with celebrity endorsement. Its a difficult year for America.....

Mind you it has not been easy over here with another batch of Earthquakes all around the South island
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Post by ArthurFrancineFan on Sun 20 Nov 2016 - 19:48

STAY STRONG EVERYONE XOXOXO
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Post by Kerry9Story on Tue 22 Nov 2016 - 7:33


^all WH now runnen shit i guess. Crying or Very sad
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Post by fudgy brown sludge on Tue 22 Nov 2016 - 21:00

the US will not let me vote because my age and the election is over, but i have printed a ballot for Bernie and mailed it to Santa because there is hope in the magic of christmas.
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Post by A Lotta Moms on Fri 25 Nov 2016 - 18:25

ArthurFrancineFan wrote:Wow some very good political conversation here.
Yes, I agree. The clintons are not good people even though trump or drumph as John Oliver pointed out HEEHEE, retracted his statement and said once he became President Elect.
Also this whole Electoral collage thing? Do you need it? Does it make sense? Well not to me anyway
By popularity and majority, Hilary won right?
There are a few possible explanations as to why we have the electoral college in place, and how candidates can still win the popular vote but lose the election by a landslide (which was basically what just happened).  The electoral college arose long ago on the rationale that, due to lack of adequate press and communication, people living in different states might not be as well-informed about candidates as a select assembly of delegates.  To prevent arbitrary voting, it was argued that having such assemblies would protect against chaotic "mob rule."  Of course, this is no longer an issue today, considering the fact that interstate communication is obviously not a problem with mass media, the internet, etc.  In other words, unless one is comfortable with letting arguably out-of-touch an corruption-tainted "elites" handle the democratic process, there's just no valid reason to keep the electoral college around that I can see.  
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I would have voted Bernie and Im sure he would have beaten Trump, since he was for the people and by that I mean everyday working class, not billionaires with rich white supremacist friends OR rich democrats with celebrity endorsement. Its a difficult year for America.....
I think that he would have had a much, much better chance at defeating Trump as well, considering that he was a very strong candidate in the Rust Belt states that Hillary lost due to her being so supportive of the free trade deals that crushed the Midwestern manufacturing base over the course of the past few decades.  By contrast, Sanders has been consistently opposed to free trade deals of that nature, and was much favored in those key states.  Clinton was part and parcel of the power couple that signed those free trade deals into law back in the 90s.  Not only was she an ardent supporter of shipping solid middle class manufacturing jobs overseas, but she was part of the root cause...and never really issued a mea culpa on the matter.  As far as I'm concerned, she didn't deserve their votes.  

If anything, I hope that this election serves as a wakeup call to the establishment (the Democratic establishment, in particular), and reminds them that what they NEED is a true progressive fighter like Sanders if they want to make headway from this point forward.  If the party can become mobilized enough over the next four years and put someone like him in office to replace Trump, it might actually be a better outcome than, say, eight continuous years of Clinton.
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Post by Kerry9Story on Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 9:02

shits our ass vs $atan i guess.
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Re: America is the Land of Shit

Post by Snowth Poogle on Mon 28 Nov 2016 - 13:28

Cheese whiz. Drumph isn't even in office yet, and already he's been flip-flopping and backtracking on just about everything he's said. He said he was doing away with LGBT rights, now he's saying he'll leave them alone (well, gay marriage anyway, apparently transgendered people and others will still have to fend for themselves); he said he was going to help small businesses and offer tax breaks, but now it's been reported his tax plan will actually only help big businesses and the wealthy (oh, big shock); he said he was going to build that damn wall made out of concrete and steel, now he's saying it's just going to be a glorified fence (but that Mexico will still pay for it). On top of that, he doesn't even want to live in the White House (at least not fulltime), and his wife and son aren't even moving in this year at all, and he's putting his kids on his presidential staff, which isn't sitting well with a lot of people (even those in D.C.) . . . talk about a spoiled, entitled family.

Oh, and you remember that nontroversy Drumph started last year about it being politically incorrect to say "Happy Holidays," and that everyone has to say "Merry Christmas," because we apparently just have to assume that nobody in America may celebrate other holidays like Hanukkuh or Kwanzaa? That's evidently nontroversial again this year too: the GAP is forcing their employees to say "Merry Christmas," instead of "Happy Holidays."

But, there is a sliver of hope: a lot of people are forecasting that Drumph will be impeached before his term is even over. Unfortunately, there's still a downside to that: then Pence will be president (or dictator).
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Re: America is the Land of Shit

Post by A Lotta Moms on Mon 28 Nov 2016 - 19:18

I was pretty sure he'd tone down a lot of his more outrageous policy ideas over time, since so many of them were just not feasible.  The giant border wall with magically animated stone faces that would gobble up young Hispanic children, for instance.  On a positive note, I had a hunch that he wouldn't do anything destructive regarding LGBT rights, just given his past positon on the issue.  Let's hope that doesn't change.  

Regarding his cabinet and staff choices, I've also been pretty disappointed...particularly with his selection of nefarious pyramid scheme queen Betsy DeVos as Education Secretary.  Not only is she wholly unqualified on every level for the position (no education-related degree, no advanced degree in anything, no experience as an educator, etc.), but she and the whole Scamway clan made their fortune in just about the most predatory manner possible without being facially criminal.  I know the GOP tends to be more pro-business/pro-investment, but this is just an earshot away from pardoning and appointing Bernie Madoff as Chair of the Federal Reserve. Evil or Very Mad
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Re: America is the Land of Shit

Post by ArthurFrancineFan on Wed 30 Nov 2016 - 2:26

A Lotta Moms wrote:

If anything, I hope that this election serves as a wakeup call to the establishment (the Democratic establishment, in particular), and reminds them that what they NEED is a true progressive fighter like Sanders if they want to make headway from this point forward.  If the party can become mobilized enough over the next four years and put someone like him in office to replace Trump, it might actually be a better outcome than, say, eight continuous years of Clinton.

Agreed!!! Let's hope these next four years shake up both sides and a progressive person for the people, if not Sanders himself, comes back to bat if he's up to it.
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Re: America is the Land of Shit

Post by ArthurFrancineFan on Wed 30 Nov 2016 - 2:27

I'm sure LaDonna is celebrating lol.....
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Re: America is the Land of Shit

Post by Kerry9Story on Wed 30 Nov 2016 - 10:49

she is i bet. -_-
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Re: America is the Land of Shit

Post by Snowth Poogle on Fri 9 Dec 2016 - 21:36

I called it! The House Republicans are planning on cutting Social Security. There goes the only source of income for certain Americans who are unable to work for whatever reason. This is why this party needs to be kept out of office, they effectively destroy working class.

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